Armed Patriots Have Taken Over A Federal Building!
2016 Let the revolution begin! Armed Patriots have taken over a federal building in Oregon. We need to support these patriots with everything that we can offer, Im getting chills just thinking about how amazing these people are. Ofcourse the media is already calling them terrorist lol. http://usuncut.com/news/armed-militia-members-take-over-federal-building...
Burns, OR. Committee of Safety Meeting (over 3 hrs.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELXMyTjMmXk
Pete Santilli BullHorns FBI Compound - Reads Declaration of Independence! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUrPA7q6iUg
This one is really interesting. A Trump campaign official joined the Bundy standoff, lol! This guy was the head of security for the original Bundy standoff in Nevada, and he's the one that asked the 2 felons, boyfriend and girlfriend, to leave, whom later went on to massacre at a walmart. http://sputniknews.com/us/20160107/1032815653/trump-campaign-militia-oregon.html#ixzz3waefED4s
Pete Santilli is on the scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obnf-UpPRKY. This next one from Pete is over 4 hours long, fair warning, but LaVoy Finicum is the first speaker at least. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvpqCo-hT30. I'm 50 min. into it so far. Pretty good stuff. Pete is right now mentioning Psyops. I saw that mentioned again in the first link above too.
Next News Network: LaVoy Finicum Ready to Die for Freedom, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVehEb-yKFE
Here is some recent RT coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7QgJjCPFiA
Here's some blog I've never seen before. Vid of Lou Dobbs and the Congressional Representative of the district Burns, OR is in it. https://jhaines6a.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/foxnews-lou-dobbs-walden-on-the-oregon-standoff/.
Montagraph breaks down the big meeting between the Sheriff and Ammon Bundy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t82q-oS429c
And I'll cap this off with this kick ass gem! The entire meeting between Ammon Bundy and Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward.
"Militia Leader Ammon Bundy Discusses an End to the Oregon Standoff" - Vice News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW4MltI7cV0
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Sheriff Mack talking about the Oregon standoff.
http://truthinmedia.com/exclusive-sheriff-mack-oregon-standoff-hammond/
#IStandWithRandAndLiberty!
Let's get back to Liberty and Freedom.
Trump is working with the Establishment.
people are standing up. You should see some of the comments on this video
A man who chops his own wood is warmed by it twice
Hope this ends well.
Those who are; are those whom are not.
I first read about the Hammond's over a month ago.
4 days ago, Ammon Bundy, son of Cliven Bundy, issued a call to arms to defend the Hammond's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEvbIbxrj3Y
The Hammond's issued a statement through their attorney that they intend to comply with the court order and go back to prison again after having already served their sentence. They already reported back to prison 2 days ago. (Edit: I was wrong - They report back on Monday)
Othkeepers released a video chastising Ammon Bundy for stirring up trouble and offering help where it was not wanted. Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oathkeepers, made a very articulate and compelling argument for not providing assistance because it was not wanted, and we can't impose ourselves on those who do not want our help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP5fklV0c54
IMHO, that is what Ammon Bundy is doing, and it is wrong. I know his heart is in the right place, and I philosophically support his fathers principled stand against excessive BLM and FEDGOV over-reach in the form of sniper teams aimed at him and his family first before the militias were asked to come in, during the cattle round ups and slaughtering. I watched both Ammon Bundy's impassioned plea for armed patriots, and I watched Stewart Rhoades reasoned rebuttal, and unfortunately I think Ammon Bundy might get 150 patriots killed in another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
BREAKING: 150 ARMED PATRIOT MILITIA SEIZE FEDERAL COMPLEX ISSUE CALL TO ARMS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iP5R1fYdC8
https://investmentwatchblog.com/oregon-militia-takes-over-forest-reserve-hq-call-patriots-to-arms/
I sympathize with these folks frustrations. I get it. The Hammond's going back to prison again is Double Jeopordy. Charging them under terrorism laws for normal ranching controlled burns that have always gone on is Prosecutorial Vindictivness. (My understanding is that terrorism charges were brought because the statute of limitations ran out, but they don't run out for terrorism). Granted, they let the fires get out of hand, twice. They deserved to get punished, and because of the circumstances, the judge believed that the statutory mandatory minimum sentence was cruel and unusual punishment. He sentenced them to less. I agree that was a fair outcome. FEDGOV wants more blood sacrifice on the altar of THE STATE though. Therefore, these 150 guys led by Ammon Bundy are right to be pissed off, but you have to pick your battles. This is a losing battle that can not generate fire in the bellies of average every day Americans. This decision is strategically unsound and morally bankrupt. There is no moral high ground here because the Hammond's do not want help. The reasoning about occupying the federal land to get the miners mining, loggers logging, which would bring up the local economy, I find is valid. Federal occupation of the lands of western states is tyrannical compared to federal occupation of the lands of eastern states. FEDGOV claims 89% of Nevada alone, and all of the other western states are not far off. They should not even be able to claim those lands due to the enclave clause (Art.1 Sec.8, Cl 17.), but, they don't follow the Constitution anymore. Using the Hammond's situation as justification for this occupation is not within that families wishes. If the Hammond's and the community asked for armed help, then I would be tempted to go down there.
In closing, these are noteworthy events, that will probably be cited in a future Declaration of Independence.
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I believe the decision to call in patriots and militia is emotion based and not logic or reason based. Montagraph lays it out pretty well.
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"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson
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I'm trying to understand how they were actually wronged in the first place to warrant this extreme level of support? Unless I am missing something these guys are in jail because they committed a real crime against public assets for pure personal interest reasons. If this is the case then these guys are in the wrong and it will reflect badly against any future actions like this that are actually and truly justifiable. Could it become a stain against those that are fighting back for real reasons?
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Been gone a couple days but wanted to clarify about what the crime might be based on what I read in your article and the article posted below.. Like I said in my other post to Ron...The whole truth must not have been shared in that article. From what it presents, they allegedly slaughtered a "herd" of Deer and burned up a whole bunch of public lands to cover it up. If this is true then I would have to stop a little shy of saying every individual has the right to go Slaughter any number of Game they like and start as many Forrest Fires they like. Both of these harm others because both are assets that jointly belong to the public in whole and not that one particular individual. Other Tax Payers and Sportsmen would be harmed by this right?
But if it is not true that they did this then my perspective in this case is rendered mute, I made the statement before more information from the other side came to light below. :)
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Occupying a building will accomplish nothing in the short run. They will eventually be starved out, if not blasted out, by an overwhelming response. They will NOT achieve their goal of getting the Hammonds released.
Is Aamon Bundy the modern day John Browne? Time will tell. But in the meantime, everyone in that BLM building has signed their own fate.
The question for all of the rest of us will be: when will we say 'no more' and commit ourselves to a life changing action? Not yet for me, I say, but then I ask again.....when?
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I agree Ron and read the source article. It is a bit biased and I'm not sure it is telling the whole story. Because if what it claims is true, these guys are in jail for setting fire to a large area of "public" lands on purpose without a true justifiable reason? If this is truly the case, then I am having trouble justifying their actions and it appears that these guys have no real justifiable reason to make a stand and action like this. I'm sure there has got to be more to this?
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I read an extensive background on the Hammond incident, and all I can say is that it is a real cluster. The Hammonds have been ranching the same land for generations. I believe that land is leased. The BLM changed the rules that effectively denied them the right to continue using the land as they had been. The Hammonds, at one point, went so far as to park a piece of heavy equipment in the way of a BLM fencing project so as to keep their traditional right-of-way open. They've had many such run-ins with the Feds.
The current issue is that they set a fire to burn underbrush (a common practice in grazing lands) and it got away from them, causing the burning of about 150 acres of BLM land (out of tens of thousands). All things considered, a relatively minor infraction, but nonetheless the Hammonds were liable for the damage done. However, the Hammonds were not simply charged with making good on the damage, they were charged with arson, and what's more is that the Fed Gov doubled down and charged them with terrorism based on a law passed after the Oklahoma City Bombing which made it a terrorist act to damage Fed Gov property with bombs or fire. So the Hammonds are now terrorists.
I believe the charges and the sentence are manifestly unjust, but I will not go so far as to say the Hammonds are pure as the driven snow. The fact is that all of this stuff is the result of the Hammonds having no clear and perpetual property right in the land they have been using for generations. Like I said, a real cluster.
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You said this -
The current issue is that they set a fire to burn underbrush (a common practice in grazing lands) and it got away from them, causing the burning of about 150 acres of BLM land (out of tens of thousands). All things considered, a relatively minor infraction, but nonetheless the Hammonds were liable for the damage done.
I understand they set a BACKFIRE to STOP a BLM fire that was threatening them.
BACKFIRE got out of hand
Then you said, "damage done".
What damage? If this was open land, you need to get a better understanding of how fire HELPS nature. I doubt there was ANY damage done. So yes to cite them for this, maybe. More than that?
No.
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That explains it better for me. I also read the article just posted below and it states the same. My family was in the Ranching business when the Grazing act was passed so I can understand their argument. But like you say they were indeed in a bit of trouble for the fire. They are also accused of poaching Deer, Now this I do have a problem with because it could indeed cause more restrictive laws to be passed and the public as a whole will suffer for it.
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The Bundy standoff was exciting. I'd love to see what this turns into.
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