I just realized michael did a brilliant thing!
Is there a private back room where we can discuss this?
Do Tell!
"I had some parting words for PL that I was working on before the computer grinch pulled her down. Perhaps they were meant to be better said here, moving forward, than left where they might never be read."
A man who chops his own wood is warmed by it twice
what Michael did that was brilliant.........
Are they talking smack again in that secret back room at PL? That one conversation about how to embed images and videos was the last straw!
Then Crabby had the nerve of posting his personal dilemma back there, so the whole entire planet (except China, North Korea, France, Iran, Syria, Cuba, Tunisia, Vietnam, Turkmenistan, Burma, Saudi Arabia.........etc.) wouldn't see it.
I'm glad you guys reconciled crabby. : )
But that was the final last straw, and then I left PL, after it crashed, and after repeated attempts to log back in, and then the front page Christmas Crash Merry Christmas page popped up. :(
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tks Freeman15 It was really personal I can't believe I shared this, even in the back room, not like me at all, ....that close I felt to VOUS
A man who chops his own wood is warmed by it twice
On what brilliant thing MN did? I spent a lot of time on PL. I would like to know if something great happened before the site died.
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before it shut down was that the last moments felt like the DP. Everybody and their brother logged in to post comments about the site shutting down. Most were pissed and/or shocked.
It felt like a DP family reunion, or a funeral I guess
A man who chops his own wood is warmed by it twice
I read the thread below and need to clarify a few things about my stand and credibility concerning my statement and accusation about a Backroom at the PL. Timeline is important in this debate for it to be in proper context and understood as justified.
When I made my stand on the principle of equal fairness the PL had just been turned on for general membership login. Guess what I find? I find a "Group" called the "Old Guard" within the forum that (at that time) required a completely separate login to access it. I was already wondering about what future division of the community could result from having this separate login protected forum.
Michael absolutely DID make the statement that this "Group" would be for the original DP'rs to go hang out separate from the main board and the new membership coming aboard the new Ark. Well this second login "Gate" concept struck me as wrong, partial and unfair to any new members that might not have access to this "Special" group or to any other members that might be denied equal access some some reason.
Then Nonna started this thread:
Apr 5, 2015 - Old Guard? Halt! Who goes there?
popularliberty.com/147/old-guard-halt-who-goes-there
So...at that "particular time" in the game I did indeed have a legitimate question and argument about possible unfair segregation that could result from this login gated forum. One thing I do understand is human nature...and the DP was not a prime example of common courtesy and the suggestive influence on Michael from certain members was also a serious a problem at times.
I witnessed many many unfair actions that resulted from members influencing Michael with content that they had dishonestly twisted around and taken out of context just because they had pure hate for a certain member. In Michael's defense...He just didn't have time to go read a weeks worth of debate and judge the situation fairly and missed who actually STARTED the argument by purposely baiting, pushing buttons and disrespecting the accused member.
The result? the member "defending" himself or herself from the maliciousness got the boot! Very wrong and backwards in my book. Just like LibertyUserName is trying to do here. Whom I suspect as being my old Friend Thomas who also likes to send me direct very "nice" emails in attempts to push my buttons. :)
So...unfortunately he trusted the judgment of a few members that called him friend, unfortunately these trusted friends were not being completely honest with him. Knowing this influence as true and factual I saw potential problems coming about from the concept of a limited access area of the forum. So I questioned this concept very strongly and know what? At that "particular time" it was a very just and fair question and stance of principle if one truly cares about and respects other human beings as equals. (am I wrong? Do we practice what we preach?)
Although I did not participate, I was coming and reading every now and then and logging in once in awhile so I am not ignorant to what was going on. Shortly later I noticed that the Old Guard "Group" concept had faded away. A hidden room was used but a separate login was not needed to access it from what I understand...never cared to go look because I had pretty much already decided I was done participating there. But this concept I can support and find as useful...a login gate segregating a community I wanted no part of, No integrity in it at all.
I had realized it was bound for eventual self destruction. Fairness down, Animosity up...just a matter of time...
"Jack of all Trades...Master of None" But forever learning more!
why Nonna never spoke with me again as of late. I so loved her and still do. Personally, I know nothing of the old guard thing. The back room? Yeah I spilled my life beans, because I felt comfortable there, only there. Anything else is pure speculation ...
If anyone feels they need to know what I posted in the back room, just ask...I will tell, it's fixed in my life.
But this old guard thing? Makes me curious, but I can assure you, I know nothing of this
A man who chops his own wood is warmed by it twice
My statements have been purposely twisted around on here man and the joint "agenda" has become clear. I am going to send you a private message my objective friend.
"Jack of all Trades...Master of None" But forever learning more!
Seems you' re the one doing the twisting here. I recall Nonna posting that as a question, while having a bit of a laugh because of MN's crack about "OLD" Guard. You turned it into something else entirely. Michael finally called you out for your lies and perpetual twisting of things. He tore you apart and told you to leave.
Do yourself and everybody else here a favor and cut the crap. There are many from DP who know your MO. It will catch up with you, if you keep it up.
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please refrain from attacking each other personally or drudging up past arguments. Leave PL squabbles at PL.
Its long over and why not let peoples current and future behavior dictate who they are.
Regardless, personal attacks on anyone only distracts us from real issues and not acceptable here.
"Do not neglect your music, it will be a companion which will sweeten many hours of life to you." Thomas Jefferson
A proper working link,that will show how you were wrong,your fears unfounded,yours and Nonna's questions answered,and should have left you at ease
http://archive.popularliberty.com/147/old-guard-halt-who-goes-there
A lot of people commented,including myself about that not-so-special room,as it was nothing,you came from the DP,and were able to access it,if you had,you have had no fears of any wrong doing,or anything nefarious
just say'n
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I'm not sure what this was about at all lol and it's honestly more than a little weird lol but nothing fishy is going on guys.
@crab: I read your message ... and I'm not sure if it was supposed to be a joke or ...
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I had that figured out about a week after I found the DP
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I meant 'recently'
A man who chops his own wood is warmed by it twice
To know what MN did that was so brilliant.
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