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crabacado's picture

Do Tell!

"I had some parting words for PL that I was working on before the computer grinch pulled her down. Perhaps they were meant to be better said here, moving forward, than left where they might never be read."

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crabacado's picture

I initially didn't want to share publicly, my thoughts, because there's obviously some members here who have yet to forgive Michael. I will be the first to admit, it took me a while too.

I still don't completely understand it, but I accept it and I forgive him.

I could only hope for the same.

When I OP'd this, my train of thought was simply this....he had pressure from some Alpha Beta Central federal agency to turn over information by X date. ...and couldn't tell anyone.

He refused and scattered the members of the ARK, for our own sakes and his own conscience.

Just a theory.

Am I crazy? It was 'out of character' for him. What else would cause this?

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The Rebel Poet's picture

Bump

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The Rebel Poet's picture

First of all I wasn't intending to "come after" either of you but rather to clarify something I feel went unseen.

As for the supposed fallacy, I understood quite well what you were trying to say, but I can see that I was not as clear. I also want to clarify again that I am not agreeing with circe's premise at all, but intend to demonstrate that her logic is not fallacious. I'm going to go slowly so I can see exactly where I went unclear.

Let me put it in formal logical form:

First a fallacy:
Some A are B,
C is A,
Therefore C is B.

With some nouns this becomes:
Some politicians are bad,
Rand is a politician,
therefore Rand is bad.

Am I correct that this is what you understand circe's argument to be? This argument is totally fallacious, but my point is that this is not the argument circe is using.

Now I will create a valid logical argument:

All A are B,
C is A,
Therefore C is B.

This is a valid logical form. With some nouns it becomes:

All government officials are bad,
Rand is a government official,
therefore Rand is bad.

Even though I disagree with the premise, the form of this argument is correct and hence not fallacious. This seems to me the argument that circe is making. Did I miss something?

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TheTaoistTroll's picture

I will not vote for an establishment puppet. Hillary, Jeb, Rubio, and Christy are the known puppets. I would vote for Donald or Bernie over a puppet. We can do better; his name is Rand.

Puppet vs puppet? That is where we don't have any choice.

As it regard to the post subject matter. Donald is a brilliant player. Don't know where he stands. The real Trump or that fictitious Trump. 

 

 

Those who are; are those whom are not.

Shonn33's picture

for my own post...lol...can 'we' give ourselves a Bump now & then???

 

"Justice is indivisible, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". MLK

harley9883's picture

Rand Paul for aid to Israel and Ukraine 

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Shonn33's picture

Protects all the other Amendments...Duh the 2nd Amendment...thats what I tell every gun grabber...They never have a comeback for that simple question....

 

"Justice is indivisible, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". MLK

harley9883's picture

Rand Paul visits Western Wall  

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Freedom Express's picture

amazes me how it's liberal run cities who are the harshest against the homeless people, but continue to get elected by saying they are going to help them?

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Danton's picture

.....is spiralling downward, out of control.

The lobbyists have corrupted our entire government.

Although I truly had hoped for Rand?.....Its all too far gone.

"The Donald" is the Anti-Lobby, the Anti-Hillary, the  antidote against these political "dynasties".

Not another Bush...Not another Clinton.....PUHHLLLEEEEEZE!

THEN..perhaps we can "reset" the system.

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Shonn33's picture

This will sink her fo sho!!!!

 

"Justice is indivisible, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". MLK

Wingman25's picture

Well said

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The Pen's picture

He supposes it is both nature and man. He is faulted for this?

Patriots Unite!

Danton's picture

...and am somewhat supportive of Trump.

Now before you get all excited about that consider this:
Many of us were somewhat aghast at Rand's positions and newly found "friends" after the 2012 elections.
However:
We attempted to "cut him some slack" with the supposed conjecture that he was just "playing possum" within the GOP, and was only doing it to get into a position of "electability".
It became obvious that this "secretive strategy" just wasn't working....the GOP was "playing" Rand, and would never "let" him become the nominee.
On the other hand:
Trump's candidacy represents ONE THING.
It represents the disapproval of ALL that our government has been "getting away with".
It represents the desire of most people to tear apart this corrupt system that has been carrying on unchecked for so long.
If anyone has a chance to push the "reset button", well it seems Trump is "the man".
We cut Rand some slack on his actions/words.
Perhaps the same should apply to Trump, who certainly "seems" to have a "shot" at winning.
Playing to the crowd perhaps?
And considering the blatant fraud perpetrated in just the primaries against Ron Paul.....?
...I seriously doubt that the GOP will allow Trump to succeed....The GOP wants another Bush.
And I no longer believe in the validity of elections.....Hillary or Jeb are the ones that the "election-masters" want.
I'd gamble on Trump to "savage" Hillary onstage verbally....not sure Rand could do it.
Anyone but Hillary or Jeb is my sentiment.

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