Banned From RonPaulForums.com

Sola_Fide Sun, 01/24/2016 - 15:16

Hello all,

I was banned from RonPaulforums.com for suggesting that the moderation was being too accepting of racist white nationalists and other assorted Trump Pumpers.

White nationalism and protectionism are anti-liberty, but I guess they didn't want to hear that, which is sad.

Anyway, hello.

SF

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Sola_Fide's picture

Having personal racist feelings is not what I am arguing against.  At RPF's, I was arguing against merging those personal racist feelings with white nationalism. 

The insidiousness of it is that some of these white nationalists will use the terms and concepts that would make a liberty-lover give them a second look.  But when you get down to the core of their ideology, it is coercive and anti-free market.

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stm's picture

post here at C2P is to rubbish another forum? I don't quite know what to make of that.

So I went to the RPF and under the heading 2016 Presidential Election the #1 thread - stickied - is a post entitled "Trump Opposition Research Thread". There are also a number of anti-Trump thread in that section. I looked through a number of posts in that section and couldn't find your name in any of them - not saying you haven't posed at RPF, just that you didn't chime in in any of the anti-Tump posts I looked at. I also looked through other sections trying to figure out where you could have talked about white nationalism, but didn't see anything.

I also highly doubt the term white nationalism was used by anyone on that forum... perhaps a reference to Americans.... does that translate to 'white nationalism' in your mind?

I really wish we could get over this crap - RPF has been around a long time and probably helped open a lot of people's eyes and for you to slander it like you did in an OP because of your hard line open border stance really doesn't do C2P any good. Get over yourself. No one has to agree with you. I'm free not to, and I'm free to voice my displeasure at you bringing your cry baby garbage here. How are you spreading liberty - which is the purpose of this site - by talking trash about RPF members? You aren't. There will always be those supporters of liberty who want secure borders. I'm a limited government liberty supporter, one who has no problem with a Constitution as long as it limits what govt can do, makes clear what govt can't do, and is adhered to. You going to throw me under the bus for that? Downvote me? Undoubtedly either you or one of the open border proponents probably will. Well, I'll just wear it as a badge of honor. Sigh.

Laugh. It makes you feel good.

Sola_Fide's picture

Yes, RPF'S has been around for a long time, and has opened a lot of eyes. I've been there since the bbeginning opening eyes myself. Which makes it all the more strange that I was banned.

To say that you "can't find any" of my posts...I don't know what to say to that. Did you search under my name? Did you look at the 20+ pages of recent immigration threads which I mentioned was the source of why I was banned?

Im not "trashing" a website. All my friends are there. I am trashing the new moderation though. Theyre not liberty oriented like the older moderation was.

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stm's picture

You're bringing your garbage here. Leave your trash at the door. For me you'll always be someone who talks behind people's backs. I can't trust someone like that. Next you'll go on some other forum and talk about me or anyone else here about how they misunderstood you or some such nonsense and beg sympathy from there. It's horrible.

Laugh. It makes you feel good.

deacon's picture

Only your word on what happened. So far I don't buy it.but that's just me.

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Sola_Fide's picture

Why wouldn't you buy it? I have a 6 year post history there...and I was a regular contributor. Look at the recent immigration threads where I was defending the liberty position against white nationalists who were never even warned for their anti-liberty positions.

What angers me is that what Ron went through in 2008 and 2012 with the newsletters ordeal caused such sensitivity to "racial" issues that the older moderators were quick to squelch any of that nonsense. It seems the new moderation are not as liberty oriented.

My handle was the same. It's there for everyone to see.

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deacon's picture

Your "member" status is still active,which means you weren't banned,Now Americanspartan has a temporary ban for his/her statements (which shows up under their username)

 I have been a member of RPF since 2008

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Sola_Fide's picture

Deacon,

Bryan arranged my profile to not say "banned" underneath it. Probably because he knows what everyone would say about me being banned.

When I try to log in, it says I've been banned for "unspecified reasons."

What is your handle on rpfs?

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HVACTech's picture

I met Bryan at Ronstock in 08. consider him my personal friend and even have his personal contact info...

I too was "BANNED" from RPF's. :)  (mid December 15)  I never whined and never complained. fact is, I lived in a campground, in a cow pasture, for a week in Minnesota with about 8 or 9 members there. anyhow.

I just looked and you are not on at least the first 7 pages of "Rep"  (I am at the top of page 3)  I have not posted over there since the ban and I will not anytime soon. :)  as I have a REP power of 11...  I am having fun with that!

I +rep the posters that are pro Constitution (MinArchists) and neg rep the fucking hard core anarchists. too much fun! 

no... I never asked for any special consideration and also canceled my monthly paid membership.  my beef was with the (hard core anarchist) top members. they have REPs of 55 or better.  not with Bryan or the mods. and no. I do not give a damn which one "banned" me.

should they get rid of the "REP" system? probably. it can allow small groups of shills to take over.  and dominate.

thoughts? 

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ecard71's picture

Now, after some former Ron Paul followers have decided to follow Trump (OF ALL PEOPLE!?), - frankly, I can believe anything. It's even arguable that Nystrom closed DP, then PL out of dislike of the Paul's - Again, something I would have been hard pressed to believe a couple of years ago. Add to that what happened with the inundation of Pro-Trump posts on PL in June/July 2015 as "THE" Anti-Establishment candidate...well then.....

So yeah, now, today, I'm more inclined to believe that side of the story.

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

deacon's picture

To feel any way your heart desires.I have personally witnessed this same thing before.I was banned from this...I was kicked from there.then later find out.they were never here nor there.it's a nice cover story.but a story. None the less.

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Sola_Fide's picture

My name on Ronpaulforums.com was Sola_Fide. I was very well known by everyone.

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ecard71's picture

"Only your word on what happened." were my initial thoughts as well, or better yet, my initial reaction. Thus far, considering what's happened, I've no reason to doubt or not give the benefit of.

Only your word on what happened.

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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to the fold then.

Those who are; are those whom are not.

mwstroberg's picture

I was under the impression that ronpaulforums.com was one of the more reasonable places, from what I had heard, but I guess I heard wrong. YOU were banned for suggesting that some very anti-liberty content be banned? That doesn't make any logical sense.

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ecard71's picture

Don't forget that Trump, on PL of all places, was condoned and encouraged - as were many of the false Rand bashing posts. Freedom of speech I could understand, but not when people use a supposed "liberty site" to promote a candidate like Trump, and post negative posts on the closest thing to a liberty candidate out there. A lot of the infighting caused some members to leave. I sometimes wondered if they were hoping it would eventually push the rest of the Rand supporters out?

That didn't make any logical sense either, but I can understand what you & Deacon mean. It was my initial reaction as well.

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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It seems like Stormfront.org and a bunch of racial collectivists spilled on to the website about a year ago, at the same time Trump was rising in the polls.  RonPaulForums.com used to be a place where the fundamentals of individualism and liberty were pondered, but for some reason the new moderation there started giving a foothold to Trump supporters.  It didn't help that Tom Woods and Lew Rockwell are crapping all over Rand and giving their tacit support to Trump either. 

Trump brings out the worst in people it seems.  Fascism, collectivism, nationalism, culture warrior-ism, etc.

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mwstroberg's picture

like some of the people on DailyPaul and PoularLiberty were at least sympathetic toward Stormfront. Every time I tried to tell people that it wasn't "us vs them," that it was "ALL OF US vs the State," there were several people telling me no, it's going to come down to a race war, that black people, or Mexicans (and now Muslims) were inherently anti-liberty and pro-socialist, and I was being naive for thinking otherwise. Fortunately, most of these voices faded away over time. We've still got a few anti-immigrant types on here, but, as near as I can tell no explicitly racists voices.

Hillary may be corrupt, but Trump scares the Hell out of me. If Rand is not the nominee, I will definitely be voting third party or not at all. Trump's election, corresponding with an economic crisis, could finally spell the end of liberty in America.

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Libera_me's picture

among 13 or 14 parties.  I'll likely find one of the third party candidates to vote for.

Speak up for those who cannot speak up for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly, defend the rights of the poor and the needy.~~ Prov.30: 8 & 9

mwstroberg's picture

be on the ballot in all fifty states. If that is Gary Johnson, I would have no problem in voting for him over Hillary/Trump. I don't think the LP will ever again make the mistake of nominating someone like Bob Barr, as they can see what that did to party membership and credibility. And, of course, we could always write in Ron (Pres)/ Rand (VP) Paul.

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