Doonesbury Nails It! Points Out Glaring Inconsistancy In 'Christians 4 Trump'

Libera_me Wed, 02/24/2016 - 10:42

When I was younger, (and less wise) I disliked Doonesbury because I was a Red Republican. It came as a delightful surprise when I saw this Sunday's comic, fit my sentiments exactly.

to see the comic:
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2016/02/21

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Speak up for those who cannot speak up for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly, defend the rights of the poor and the needy.~~ Prov.30: 8 & 9
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He's correct in saying our whole model is broken, but Trump has nothing to do with that. If there had never been a Hamilton who fooled Washington into allowing the banksters in, an Adams who wanted to be a king with his Sedition Acts, a Lincoln who crushed every check held withing the Constitution, if there had never been a Wilson who for the second time gave our country away to the banksters and involved us in a stupid war, if there had never been a FDR who 'socialized' the country with his not-so-new deals, or an Eisenhower who dismissed the Bricker Amendment, or a Reagan who gave away the education system to the communists, or Pappa Bush or a Clinton or a Bush Jr and definitely never a BO.... Trump is just a candidate at this point, one I can't stand, but not because he's divorced or loud or abrasive. And I actually don't see him as a proud man... he is, of course, proud of his achievements, but every candidate talks about those. I think we sometimes confuse self-confidence with pride.

The cartoon is really just another example of Christian bashing. No Christian can determine what another person does, only how s/he acts. Would the support be better placed in Cruz or Rubio, neither of whom are eligible?

The fact is there are NO candidates actively running who deserve anyone's support.

People see a failed empire.
They know Trump has failed and was able to right his course.
Somehow they think he can right America's course, too.
But how, when he knows nothing about what America is supposed to be?
They can't think that far back, haven't educated themselves properly.
There are millions out there who still believe BO is the best prez evuh.
And I bet a lot of those people think of themselves as Christian, too.

Trudeau has been and always will be propaganda for the left. That we can agree in certain areas doesn't change that.

Laugh. It makes you feel good.

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One of the few things I like about Trump is how he treats the MSM, and also that immigrants need to be vetted. I would never support him nor any of the other candidates but of all the others he might do the least damage and show the impotence of the MSM.

I'm 60 and still don't like Doonesbury, manipulative and full of half truths,

Pride- I'm proud of my accomplishments, not something to be ashamed of.

Greed- Trump might fit this because of his use of eminent domain.

Lust- Who hasn't felt lust in their hearts?

Envy- I doubt Trump is envious of anyone.

Gluttony- Don't see where this fits?

Wrath- We all should be angry at what the collectivists have done to this country.

Sloth- Does not apply to Trump.

Just because you don't like someone does not mean you can't be objective about them.

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I could not resist posting this since you mentioned the "sins." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBRkbcwPw1c&list=RDEBRkbcwPw1c#t=9

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primarily, and about Trump in a secondary way. I myself believe that Doonesbury has been both manipulative and biased. But, as a believer in Jesus, I believe I should listen to my critics; it's a form of loving my 'enemy', so to speak. The standard for Christian behavior doesn't change on the basis of what is politically correct. Although Doonesbury went too far to compare Trump to Satan, that is a point that I believe we should see as believers. A thorough search of the scripture will find each of these sins condemned:

Pride- Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. (for more: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=pride&t=KJV#s...)

Greed- Pro 11:6 The righteousness of the upright will deliver them,
But the treacherous will be caught by their own greed.

Luke 12:15 Then He said to them, “Beware, and be on your guard against every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life consist of his possessions.” (for more: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=greed&t=NASB#...)

Lust- ( https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=lust&t=NASB#s...)

but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

James 1:14

But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Envy- If Trump didn't have envy issues, he would not abuse eminent domain!
Pro 3:31

Do not envy a man of violence
And do not choose any of his ways. (eminent domain does relate here, as Trump uses the force of government to obtain property not due him)

Pro 23:17

Do not let your heart envy sinners,
But live in the fear of the LORD always.

Gluttony- ( https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=gluttony&t=NI...) I really didn't see how gluttony applied to Trump either, but it is covered in Scripture, so:
Pro 23:2 (NIV)
and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.

Wrath- is a double edged sword, it can be good, if against injustice, or evil, if unjust. Both types are listed in Scripture.

Joshua 9: 20 - 24 Jos 9:20

This we will do to them; we will even let them live, lest wrath be upon us, because of the oath which we swore unto them.

And the princes said unto them, Let them live; but let them be hewers of wood and drawers of water unto all the congregation; as the princes had promised them. (if they had broken their oath to the Gibeonites by killing them, God would have been justified in having wrath against them for breaking a promise made in His name)

Unjustified wrath breeds contention:

Pro 19:19

A man of great wrath shall suffer punishment: for if thou deliver him, yet thou must do it again.

the type of person is described here: Pro 21:24

Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who deals in proud wrath.

Jas 1:19

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God.

Sloth- I agree, this doesn't apply to Trump, but Trudeau affirmed that, as well.

Sloth is condemned as well:
Ecc 10:18

Through sloth the roof sinks in,
and through indolence the house leaks.

Speak up for those who cannot speak up for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly, defend the rights of the poor and the needy.~~ Prov.30: 8 & 9

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"If you appreciate Doonesburry when you're young, you have no heart. If you don't appreciate Doonesburry when you're older, you have no mind." - mjULTRA

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Amazing and hilarious.

Incidentally I feel exactly the same way about Doonesbury as you do. Grew up hating it just cause knee jerk anti-liberal hate. Now I'm surprised once in a while.

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I always seem to confuse both you and Libera_me. And most likely it has to do with the avatars/picture of musicians. The names - with Libera_me sounding somewhat "poetic" and also stressing the "R" might have something to do with it as well. Not sure if this has happened to anyone else here.

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and did a few acronyms for Popular Liberty. One of my favorite Contemporary Christian artists was Leslie (aka Sam) Phillips and I thought the song Libera-me was one of the best for describing struggles we all face. It related well to my search for the truth and how it is found in Christ. Her picture is the one I currently use, as she sings the song that inspired my name.

:) I'm not sure, but I think Stevie Nicks is the avatar the Rebel Poet uses, feel free to disabuse me of this notion, if I'm wrong.

Speak up for those who cannot speak up for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly, defend the rights of the poor and the needy.~~ Prov.30: 8 & 9

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It's Larry Norman. One of the most underappreciated artists of all time. He was one of the main influences on Frank Black of the Pixies, and through the pixies influence over bands like Nirvana, helped craft in some small way most of the alternative music you hear today. I would describe his sound as one part Bob Dylan, one part Leon Russel, and maybe just a dash of Elvis. He was an avid Christian, and pioneered the Jesus Music movement (basically Christian hippies). While that movement went on to birth CCM and Christian Rock, calling him a CCM artist is unfair: I would compare the Christianity of his music much more to U2 (or even Black Sabbath for that matter) than to most of the religious pap put out by the CCM industry. All he really did was to express his spirituality with popular music as had always been the norm up until the 50's.

My username is from the title of one of his compilation albums, entitled "Rebel Poet, Jukebox Balladeer: The Anthology."

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but that song made me think of John Denver for some reason. Thanks for clarifying as well.

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but that song made me think of John Denver for some reason.

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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Larry Norman was one of my favorites, as well. He, along with others in the original 'Jesus People' movement were authentic. Now that I think about it, it really is unfair to consider Leslie (aka Sam Phillips) Phillips, Crumbacher, Keith Green, the Second Chapter of Acts, and other artists part of the CCM movement. None of these ministries ever made Christianity 'cut and dry', and some of the leading ladies either stepped back from recording for a while or went secular because the CCM leaders at the time wanted a 'cut and dried' Christianity, and they couldn't give them that. It was a bit easier for some of them, like Crumbacher, because of the style of music they chose, or having a male lead, but the music and lyrics actually were far better done by such groups than the pablum we currently hear. There are a few exceptions to this, but they grow fewer and farther between.

Speak up for those who cannot speak up for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly, defend the rights of the poor and the needy.~~ Prov.30: 8 & 9

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it's hard to see. I'm sure no one can read mine. I was guessing Stevie Nicks or Nancy Wilson myself.

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"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

Same goes for supposed Mr. Constitution Ted Cruz.

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