Rand: "We have a real shot at winning"

ecard71 Sat, 12/26/2015 - 11:37
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Can't wait for Iowa & NH to get a good, clear gauge.

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bmd
12/27/2015 - 19:18

Given a choice, I'd rather see him in than anyone else, but I'm absolutely not getting any hopes up. I live in the reality of hearing the 98% of people outside the liberty movement talk, instead of only the 2% in it.

The MSM has worked twice as hard on leaving his name omitted, misplacing his position in polls, and giving him next to zero debate time than they did with his father. I hate to burst the bubbles but he isn't winning anything.  Coming from the south down here, he doesn't have a chance in hell. I talk to these people down here. The mindset is exactly as the media has made it look to the mindless TV watchers - He doesn't stand a chance and he's not going to liberally throw bombs around on all the evil non-christian muslims and only love and forgive the self-righteous christians of the only correct religion in their eyes. There's only four people that win any votes in the south - a war monger, a war monger that mentions Jesus, anybody else that mentions Jesus, or somebody that lives here. And if it is the mindset here that he has no chance, you can bet the majority mindset everywhere else in TV watcher land, it is the same.

The TV watchers claim they don't believe polls either, yet apparently they do, because it shows when they talk about who they would or wouldn't vote for and why.

Even Saturday Night Live completely and totally trashed him and thoroughly made a joke out of the insignificance that the media has labeled him with, and that's a huge audience of very dumb, mindless, non-thinking, indoctrinated people, that are still as equally influenced by rubbish like Saturday Night Live, as they are by the MSM.

See for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Th70moeuc

 

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LibertyUserName
12/27/2015 - 12:44

Its not that I don't like. I'd love to see him win, but anyone who witnessed 2008 and or 2012 should know better than to think there is much of a chance. He is pulling in way less in moneybombs than Ron did, he is pulling in way less in speaking engagements than Ron did, he doesn't have half as much in grassroots support as Ron did. It is just not a reality. I hope he sticks around in the senate and keeps fillibustering and trying to hold people accountable where he can, but it is unlikely he will win the nomination, I doubt he will even win Iowa.

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12/30/2015 - 07:26

What does everyone think is going to happen?  The MSM will go crazy with headlines that Rand Paul wins Iowa? And that will set him up better for later states and polls?

More realistically what will happen, if he does pull off a win in Iowa, is that the MSM will do one of three things -

- Simply explain it away as a mere anomaly caused by a handful of zealous supporters left over from the Ron Paul days in Iowa's caucuses, 

- Completely ignore it altogether, dare not mention it at all, and if they have to, it will be brief, short, without any sensationalism and not at all on prime time, or will make it seem as if it is not a big deal or skew the numbers to make it look like a lucky 'skin of the teeth' marginal win,

- Or discount the validity and importance of Iowa's caucuses altogether, as they already threatened to, and began to do when Ron did as well as he did in Iowa. I recall more than one news report back in those days where they basically explained Ron's win away and said that Iowa's credibility as a predictor may be gone (Hannity in particular if I recall correctly). So the play on that idea has already been put into motion.

We saw this in '08 and '12.  Why does anyone think this time will be different with Rand?  We still have the same MSM companies and the same talking heads.

Not trying to dis his win if he gets one, just reminding people with their hopes up again what they have forgotten.

If you don't have the MSM's nod of approval, your wins don't mean anything,  nor will they be portrayed as if they mean anything. And if you get a leg up, FOX, CNN, and MSNBC will surely go out of their way kick it out from under you.

Until those three empires walls are torn down, liberty will continue fading into the past.

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ecard71
12/26/2015 - 21:40

You can apply my previous reply to this part that you wrote:

"I would love to see it as it would be a good way to fire up the base and possibly win back some that bailed."

As for Ron making an appearance - I don't think he will, at least not in Iowa. Rand wants to do this all on his own. I think Ron may make an appearance if Rand does really terrible in Iowa, which I'm not expecting.

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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Shonn33
12/26/2015 - 21:36

Because of all the people that followed Ron Paul get elected to many seats within the G.O.P.(Grumpy Old People), that is why we see crumbling right before our eyes.. no wall street kick backs, many new bills he introduced while calling out the phonies in Congress, just wish his wife would be more out-there trying to get people to notice RP Jr.  

 

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12/26/2015 - 19:29

"I would love to see it as it would be a good way to fire up the base and possibly win back some that bailed."

Ryan,

Ron endorsed him with the following words:

"Rand is the ONLY one in the race who is standing up for your Liberty, across the board....he is our best hope to restore liberty, limited government and the Bill of Rights and finally end the big spending status quo in Washington, D.C...."

"There is not one candidate who has run for president in my lifetime who can say they fully share my commitment to liberty, Austrian economics, small government, and following the Constitution, [more] than my son, Rand Paul."

Ron has also gone as far as saying that Rand does everything better than he ever has.

Yet for some, that's still not enough.

If interested, here's the link to the full interview:  http://www.ora.tv/politicking/2015/6/3/ron-paul-rand-shot-white-house--0...

 

 

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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Ryan_76
12/26/2015 - 21:21

I am wondering if we will see him doing any campaign events before Iowa for Rand.

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LibertyUserName
12/26/2015 - 20:45

It is not about Rand not doing enough or being libertarian enough in this instance. The conversation is about his incredibly highly unlikely chance of even making it past Iowa. We all thought Ron had a chance and Ron had a lot more momentum behind him and you know what happened there.

Rand isn't polling well. It is that simple, and it needs to be fixed in order to move on. And yes we have all heard the tired lines about polls being manipulated and skewed a million times over and I even agree with that but the polls aren't so far off that Rand is somehow going to magically win at this point. It just isn't the case.

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Joeinmo
12/28/2015 - 20:04

they are highly inaccurate now, their error margins have went up from 1-2% to 6.5% that I have seen in some polls, that's insane- why even do one/

 

oh I know for propaganda

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Joeinmo
12/28/2015 - 20:04

they are highly inaccurate now, their error margins have went up from 1-2% to 6.5% that I have seen in some polls, that's insane- why even do one/

 

oh I know for propaganda

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LibertyUserName
12/28/2015 - 23:33

if you believe someone polling as low as Rand can win the nomination. I've explained this at least a dozen times. I understand polls are skewed and not always accurate. However no matter how skewed the polls are someone does not go from polling @ 3% to winning the nomination. You're being foolish also if you are forgetting 2008 and 2012.

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Joeinmo
12/29/2015 - 01:57

you're basing Rand's performance on polling being paid for by networks that are propaganda pushers.  Polls mean absolutely nothing in today's electorate, I read somewhere that pollsters have basically been polling about 40% of the same people over and over.  The last time I was polled was when I had a land line 10 years ago, they say they call cell phones too but the rate of someone answering is so low it's off the charts. They go through thousands of calls to get 400 people to answer, while land lines are fairly easy to get Ahold of 

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ecard71
12/29/2015 - 00:29

prior to the primaries. He was arguably the GOP's 2nd choice behind Romney. Why is this so different? Look at Giuliani and Cain.

 

 

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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ecard71
12/26/2015 - 21:08

"The conversation is about his incredibly highly unlikely chance of even making it past Iowa."

"Rand isn't polling well. It is that simple, and it needs to be fixed in order to move on."

You're admittedly basing this on polls? You're letting the msm dictate the results and sway your opinion.

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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LibertyUserName
12/27/2015 - 12:36

My opinions of Rand have not changed because of the msm. I still think highly of him. My opinion is that he is polling really poorly and that is a problem.

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father_abraham85
12/28/2015 - 19:53

don't show Rand doing well, but those polls are rather small in sample size and don't cover a wide margin of the electorate. Cell phones, random shifts in the political environment, a younger generation out-numbering the older, so on and so on are throwing the Grand O' Party completely out of wack. In the Iowa caucus "Delegates are proportionally allocated to Presidential contenders based on the statewide vote." Those Delegates are assigned on March 12th to attended "Congressional District Conventions and the State Convention" then on April 9th those delegates "convene in each congressional district to choose the state's district delegates to the Republican National Convention according to the results of the Precinct Caucuses. Ultimately, on may 21st, "The State Convention as a whole chooses Iowa's statewide delegates (10 base at-large delegates plus 5 bonus delegates) to the Republican National Convention." That's "15 of 30 National Convention delegates (for Iowa) are selected according to the results of the Precinct Caucuses." Half of Iowa's delegates are not even decided on Feb. 1st and you have to take into account that all those delegates are only bound to the First ballot at the National Convention. That's Ron Paul Territory and Rand Paul knows that. In fact that's why he's in it for the long haul. This thing is going to be decided in Cleveland, not the polling booth. The Republican base of Iowa has not forgot what the GOP did to their state during the off season or at Tampa in Aug 2012 to other states.The polls don't gage anything but what landline customers watch on tv.

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HVACTech
12/26/2015 - 21:03

oh, wise one with the crystal ball!

"Rand isn't polling well. It is that simple, and it needs to be fixed in order to move on."

pontificate thus.

 

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TrumpetRoyale
12/27/2015 - 19:28

To me the point is that we dont have a crystal ball, but what we do know are the campaign has an enormous grassroots base in Iowa & New Hampshire.  Compare any candidates Pricint Captains, or county chairs with Rands.  If Bush has 100 precinct captains, Rand has 900.  Dont downplay the significance of this.  Instead of squabbling over this MSM poll or that MSM poll, lets get to work!  Opinions over MSM polls are useless, arbitrary & insignificant.  We dont need to fix rigged MSM polls for Rand, in fact we cannot. But we can get to work.

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LibertyUserName
12/27/2015 - 10:26

aren't you witty?

I was simply pointing out the course of the conversation. The conversation was discussing how Rand is polling and then someone came in talking about who Ron supports. We already knew who Ron supports it is time to face the reality of the poll numbers which is what this original conversation was about which was what I was trying to point out

But thanks for your teenage bubble gum video. I don't see how it served a purpose here in this thread though.

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ecard71
12/27/2015 - 11:47

"The conversation was discussing how Rand is polling and then someone came in talking about who Ron supports."

and

'We already knew who Ron supports it is time to face the reality of the poll numbers which is what this original conversation was about which was what I was trying to point out"

Two different members brought up and asked about Ron on this thread:

1.) One member started comparing Ron's poll numbers to Rand's.

2.) The other member asked if anyone thought he'd be making an appearance and firing up the old Ron supporters.

I answered to both where Ron stated that he was well aware that polls are manipulated and asking voters NOT to fall for their lies, which is what some here are being led to believe by the MSM. So though you may already know who Ron supports, you do not seem to be heeding his warnings on the polls and the MSM.

 

I STILL STAND WITH RAND!

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